No Mind
One day I open a group named "Heaven & Earth Buddhist Society" and I add a lama. The lama said, "when I was a kid I watched a kungfu movie heaven and earth, and now I am in heaven and earth group, hahaha..."
Zen child mind (mind that doesn't stick to norms) is not something one should be proud of, because it still not the final liberation. Its only a preparation to have 7 traits of enlightement:
1. The trait of mindfulness (sati-sambojjhanga).
2. The trait of investigating phenomena (dhammavicaya-bhojjanga).
3. The trait of energy (viriya-sambojjhanga).
4. The trait of rapture (piti-sambojjhanga).
5. The trait of tranquility (passadhi-sambojjhanga).
6. The trait of concentration (samadhi-sambojjhanga).
7. The trait of equanimity (upekkha-sambojjhanga).
Thus he dwells perceiving again and again dhammas as just dhammas (not mine, not I, not self, but just as phenomena). Don;t put new self into zen child mind. Keep moving.
Is Zen No-Mind really No Mind?
No it is not. the characteristic of Zen "no mind" can be seen when the zen practiotioner just experience any phenomena that happen, a car passby, there is sound of bell in other room, its time to eat, etc. All of these are being called Zen Mind only, the goal is to have zen child mind, and later "Nibbana", that according to Zen is any Dhamma that just looks like it, so no need to practice. Just see and enlightened. This sparks a false Buddha's doctrine called Buddhanature (we are already Buddha).
Since whole body and mind is disgusting according to Buddha, the doctrine of Buddhanature completely wrong. How can we expect we have Buddhanature in us, if we even want to leave all our mental faculties.
What one feels, one perceives. What one perceives, one thinks about it. What one thinks about, one proliferates. One can remove proliferation through Vipassana Bhavana. Continous Satipatthana will make one enters jhana 4 (knowing any material as it is), jhana 7 (everything are dependent so they are empty of existence), and jhana 9 (ceasing the proliferation).
Papañcita,saññā itarîtarā narā
papañca,yantā upayanti saññino
mano,mayaṁ geha,sitañ ca sabbaṁ
panujja nekkhamma,sitaṁ iriyati
"People here and there of proliferated perception, when perceiving go on to become the tools of proliferation.
But all the mind-made that is house-bound.
having dispelled them, one moves in renunciation."
(S 35.94/4:71)
Jhana 10 is No Mind, Nibbana.
How to talk beyond mindful talk, to have mindless talk? You must graduated from vipassana bhavana practice first. So you able to talk as the object itself, not as mind perception about the object.
Prince Abhaya asked Buddha, "when someone asks you, do you think first 'if someone ask me this, I will answer like this' or do you come up with the answer on the spot?"
Buddha replied, "When people come and ask a man who being skilled in the parts of a chariot, he will come up with the answer on the spot. In the same way when someone asks me I come up with the answer on the spot. Why is that? Because the property of the Dhamma has been mastered by me."
When you talk as the object also important to realize emptiness, you are not that object, so you won't end claiming yourself, "I am world", "I am God," etc.
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